Article Comment: ALL TIME Outdoor Marks: Girls Top-25 each Event: Did You Make It?
02/08/2015 10:46:20 AM
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Cindy Tolle, 4:43+ in about 1982 - held the record for 23 years!
Cindy Tolle, 4:43+ in about 1982 - held the record for 23 years!
02/08/2015 11:56:06 AM
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After doing a little research, I found a 2007 posting on letsrun by Lorenzo the Magnificent, with the following girls times - mainly from the earlt 1980's. 800 2:o6.5 Stacey Zartler Metroplex Striders ( Irving, Tx )1983 2:08.5 Margarita Salinas Pharr San Juan 1981 2:08.9 Jolanda Jones Alief Elsik 1983 2:09.8 Amy Goodwin Bellville 1982 2:09.8 Karol Painter Deer Park 1982. 1600 4:43.8 Cindy Tolle Plano 1983 4:51.06yi Kim Widener Plano 1986 4:52.6 Brenda Moore Amarillo 1984 4:52.9 Eva Duran SA Jefferson 1983 4:53.39y Karol Painter Deer Park 1983 3200 10:27.0 Kathy Smith SA Churchill 1983. This was the first "Golden ara" of mid - distance girls running in Texas. They should be added to the list and recognised.
After doing a little research, I found a 2007 posting on letsrun by Lorenzo the Magnificent, with the following girls times - mainly from the earlt 1980's.
800
2:o6.5 Stacey Zartler Metroplex Striders ( Irving, Tx )1983
2:08.5 Margarita Salinas Pharr San Juan 1981
2:08.9 Jolanda Jones Alief Elsik 1983
2:09.8 Amy Goodwin Bellville 1982
2:09.8 Karol Painter Deer Park 1982.

1600
4:43.8 Cindy Tolle Plano 1983
4:51.06yi Kim Widener Plano 1986
4:52.6 Brenda Moore Amarillo 1984
4:52.9 Eva Duran SA Jefferson 1983
4:53.39y Karol Painter Deer Park 1983

3200
10:27.0 Kathy Smith SA Churchill 1983.

This was the first "Golden ara" of mid - distance girls running in Texas. They should be added to the list and recognised.
02/08/2015 7:48:15 PM
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@tjessup 4:09.3 John McDaniel, Clear Creek, League City in the same race that Reed FISHER of Highland Park ran the 4.05. This was a GOLDEN MILE in Baton Rouge. Not a 1600.
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4:09.3 John McDaniel, Clear Creek, League City in the same race that Reed FISHER of Highland Park ran the 4.05. This was a GOLDEN MILE in Baton Rouge. Not a 1600.
02/08/2015 11:01:06 PM
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@tjessup The first golden age is right. Then there is the past 10 years and with the introduction of the 5k in cc the 3200 times are getting down there. Not Cali perfect weather sub 10 yet but getting closer. Still mind boggling a girl ran 4:43 30 years ago.
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The first golden age is right. Then there is the past 10 years and with the introduction of the 5k in cc the 3200 times are getting down there. Not Cali perfect weather sub 10 yet but getting closer. Still mind boggling a girl ran 4:43 30 years ago.
02/09/2015 10:46:56 AM
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I've thought about it a lot and I think what happened was this.... Those early girls' times were the result of serious runners who might have played soccer for club but did XC/track for school since UIL soccer didn't exist until 82-83, right? Then times slowed for girls through the 90s when the second running boom happened and the "less is more"/interval based/cross training push happened through Runner's World, etc. Fast forward to 2010 or so when 5k is on the horizon and you see girls running WAY faster again. I think more people shifted their training to higher volume and more aerobic to accommodate the increase in distance and found out it had a positive effect on their girls' 1600 and 3200 times. Anyway, I think bigger things are on the horizon.
I've thought about it a lot and I think what happened was this....

Those early girls' times were the result of serious runners who might have played soccer for club but did XC/track for school since UIL soccer didn't exist until 82-83, right?

Then times slowed for girls through the 90s when the second running boom happened and the "less is more"/interval based/cross training push happened through Runner's World, etc.

Fast forward to 2010 or so when 5k is on the horizon and you see girls running WAY faster again. I think more people shifted their training to higher volume and more aerobic to accommodate the increase in distance and found out it had a positive effect on their girls' 1600 and 3200 times.

Anyway, I think bigger things are on the horizon.
02/09/2015 11:54:49 AM
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@Aggietom Cindy Tolle ran on the Dallas Metroplex Strider's and I was a member for a short period of time back in the late 70's through 1980. She was an amazing running and Stacy Zartler too. We were coached under the "great" Terry Jessup who I admire greatly. My son is now a member of the Metroplex Strider's and has learned so much from him. I can vouch that she ran a 4:43 and Stacy ran a 2:06. Amazing times back then!
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Cindy Tolle ran on the Dallas Metroplex Strider's and I was a member for a short period of time back in the late 70's through 1980. She was an amazing running and Stacy Zartler too. We were coached under the "great" Terry Jessup who I admire greatly. My son is now a member of the Metroplex Strider's and has learned so much from him. I can vouch that she ran a 4:43 and Stacy ran a 2:06. Amazing times back then!
02/09/2015 1:26:16 PM
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Aggietom - completely correct! In the 1970's and early 80' RUNNING WAS THE SPORT OF CHOICE FOR young girls. Soccer, volleyball, basketball grew in Texas for girls and drew most of the "athletes" away from middle and distance running. I have loved coaching girls ( and boys later ) for over 43 years - but I have seen the change in athletic ability of kids coming into our sport over the past 20 years. In the early days almost ALL 800 through 3200 girls could run well under 30 seconds for 200m. Today, I am REALLY happy to get someone with that kind of speed. I believe the 1990's was the lost decade of American mid/distance running due to the prevailing thought that all runners ( seniors and Juniors ) were OVER TRAINING. Being a LYDIARD follower, I believed that, "mileage makes champions" and that there is no short cut to success. Runners must train "smart", but must put in great volumes of work to be the best that THEY can be at any one time in their careers. So, finally, all who coach high school mid/distance runners must be better coaches now! We all, usually, have less talent to work with, therefore smart coaching and adapting to the talents of each runner is vital. I am in awe of all the HS coaches who work so hard - sometimes in a less than positive invironments, to bring each kid to their full high school potential. Keep it up - the kids deserve your best. Thanks Carrie - lets get him going.
Aggietom - completely correct! In the 1970's and early 80' RUNNING WAS THE SPORT OF CHOICE FOR young girls. Soccer, volleyball, basketball grew in Texas for girls and drew most of the "athletes" away from middle and distance running. I have loved coaching girls ( and boys later ) for over 43 years - but I have seen the change in athletic ability of kids coming into our sport over the past 20 years. In the early days almost ALL 800 through 3200 girls could run well under 30 seconds for 200m. Today, I am REALLY happy to get someone with that kind of speed.
I believe the 1990's was the lost decade of American mid/distance running due to the prevailing thought that all runners ( seniors and Juniors ) were OVER TRAINING. Being a LYDIARD follower, I believed that, "mileage makes champions" and that there is no short cut to success. Runners must train "smart", but must put in great volumes of work to be the best that THEY can be at any one time in their careers.
So, finally, all who coach high school mid/distance runners must be better coaches now! We all, usually, have less talent to work with, therefore smart coaching and adapting to the talents of each runner is vital.
I am in awe of all the HS coaches who work so hard - sometimes in a less than positive invironments, to bring each kid to their full high school potential. Keep it up - the kids deserve your best.
Thanks Carrie - lets get him going.

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